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<P><B><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">From:</FONT></B> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">owner-meeting@kent.net on behalf of Don Andersen[SMTP:DANEDON@HOTMAIL.COM]
<BR></FONT><B><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Sent:</FONT></B> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Sunday, October 31, 2004 7:03:51 AM
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<BR></FONT><B><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Subject:</FONT></B> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Re: meeting: Pan African Brethren Conference on Missions (8th - 12th Nov)
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<div style='background-color:'><P><FONT size=1>John Black really started this thread on 10/26 with:</P>
<P></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1>Dear loving brethren, What ever happened to those people with no name, believers gathered to the name of the Lord Jesus Christ alone. Brethren is a non-scriptural name, it divides the Body of Christ, brethren is a scriptural name, we are brethren to every born-again soul from Pentecost till the rapture. Calling ourselves the Brethren is popular, and para church organizations are tripping over each other. There is an endeavour to have a central eclesiastical hierarchy, haveing authority over large groups of assemblies. Satan has transformed himself into an evangelical, we are rich and incresed with goods, some are trying to gain control of the government of the U.S.A. Keep looking up brethren our redemption draweth nigh. In Him our hope !! Your loving brother, John Black </P></FONT><FONT size=1>
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<P>On 10/27 Peter wrote:</P></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1>
<P>Of course Old Paths Open is as much a name as anything and probably more <BR>divisive. I see no difference to it and Brethren. "Those gathered in the name of <BR>the Lord Jesus alone" is also a name. Any term that is used to refer to an entity <BR>is a name. <BR>Peter <BR>------</P>
<P>Phil answered:</P>
<P>And of course here is where you err Peter. To suggest Mt 18:20 to be a *name* so called, is putting something into the text that isn't there. <BR><BR>Also, to see no difference in "gathered in My Name" and the so called "Brethren" or "Brethren assemblies" is also adding something to the Word of God that is not there. <BR><BR>I pity your dim view of this particular subject sir. In Scripture, the term "brethren" is inclusive of the whole of the household of faith, not to be used as some divisive title as you are suggesting. <BR><BR>The only title given to believers in our Bibles is "Christian" which by the way is inclusive of the whole. <BR><BR>You nor any other have a right to take "brethren" or "Brethren" and apply it to a certain group apart from the whole of God's people. <BR><BR>Phil Nickerson <BR>Gathering in His Name alone (apart from any denominational title) <BR>-------</P>
<P>On 10/28, Phil said:</P>
<P>Simply put, this is not going to be backed with Scripture, in fact, as pointed out many times over the years, it is condemned in principal by Scripture. <BR><BR>Why not call us "The Saints" to the exclusion of some of the other of God's people? Why not "The Believers" cutting some off from the rest. <BR><BR>The point is, it is condemned by Scripture and shame on us when we accept unscriptural titles that only divide us from the rest of the flock. <BR>Saint's gathered (or gathering) in the Name of the Lord is what we do, not so much what we are. <BR>We are saints (but not to the exclusion of the rest) and gathered (gathering) is what we do. <BR>-------</P>
<P>And, now you want me to believe that from the beginning of this discussion the ONLY point we have been discussing is whether or not we can use the term Brethren/brethren?</P></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman">
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<P>If you had stayed away from discussing the term, "<STRONG>THE</STRONG> Saints Gathered to the Name of The Lord Jesus Christ," you wouldn't have gotten me talking as I have been. The group of Open's I was associated had Christians gathered to the Name of the Lord Jesus, but I haven't know any other Opens using this term. Perhaps you know of others, but the only ones I have known that used that title with emphasis on <STRONG>THE</STRONG> was the TW's. They also believe they alone have the Lord in their midst! Their use of "THE Saints...etc." is far more than just a title, it is a position. They believe if you want to be one of THE Saints gathered....etc." you have to join them.</P>
<P>Finally, Phil, <STRONG>are you </STRONG>a college professor? :) If so, here of late you have been lecturing/reprimanding me like I'm one of your students and have strayed from conforming to one of your rules on discussion. :) I'm sure you have been on this forum long enough to know that quite often we get off on tangents. If enough people start discussing the tangent, that is the new subject! Seeing as how you didn't start the subject, I don't understand why you think you are in charge of keeping us tied to just that subject in our discussions.</P></FONT>
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